Whatever their place in the search for extraterrestrial contact, the Dogon myths are certainly odd. no conclusions of any kind." Whew! <> Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. Temple has made very few verifiable assertions about mythology (and The Sirius Mystery is overwhelmingly about ancient myths, not about the Dogons or modern astronomy). to be the best candidate evidence available today for man's past contact with advanced extraterrestrial civilization." He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. Classical mythology has been a Rorschach test into which people have projected nearly any notion that appealed to them. How did the Dogon obtain this knowledge? The book's advertising blurb quotes prolific science writer Isaac Asimov, who says, "I couldn't find any mistakes in this book. seem to have done little else than give the earthlings some useless This is true, but Sirius has about 25 times the luminosity of the Sun. At the latitude of Egypt, over distances of several hundred kilometers, planetary curvature introduces distortions only on the order of fractions of kilometers, not the tens of kilometers worth of inaccuracies I found in Temple's claim. sun and the phases of the moon are more pertinent for Dogon reckoning. Meanwhile the Dogon myths continue to baffle investigators. Although Temple fails to prove its antiquity, the evidence for the recent acquisition of the information is still entirely circumstantial. There is, by Philip Coppens. This would have wreaked havoc on the climate of any planets orbiting Sirius A. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. Carl. Liam McDaid is Astronomy Coordinator and Professor of Astronomy at Sacramento City College. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. mystery resurfaces. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. In September 1980, Dr. Philip C. Steffey did an in-depth analysis of Dogon astronomical traditions in "Some Serious Astronomy in the 'Sirius Mystery,' " which criticized Temple's book as "inadequate and full of factual errors and misrepresentation of critical material. But didn't Isaac Asimov check over the book for just such factual errors, as the publisher claims? The legend of the Dogons astronomical precociousness first appeared on the radar in the 1970s. Conversations With It is important to look at the assumptions and implications of the claims made about the Dogon. Europeans too talked about the discovery of a third star in the Sirius system; later investigations, however, ruled out that possibility. -- in other words, no disproof would follow the failure of his prediction.). 2Q9-mV5F W4g?`Su#q6a]sdaGr*_70 ! ;`~RS)Hm@FGI.m3gcW|PF.(`VypT!]WM6'b//^FX[P\9:H37)DH,y|F(&Da]w o9-K?MR+z.R}7.ubqUIXVy~frF@". WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. [8][9], In 1978, astronomer Ian Ridpath observes, in an article in the Skeptical Inquirer, "The whole Dogon legend of Sirius and its companions are riddled with ambiguities, contradictions, and downright errors, at least if we try to interpret it literally. "[10] Ridpath states that while the information that the Dogon probably gained from Europeans to some extent resembles the facts about Sirius, the presumed original Dogon knowledge of the star is very far from the facts. "their purpose in disguising their secrets was to see that the secrets could survive.". The former study also concluded that while a triple system for Sirius could not be fully eliminated, the probability was low. Webplanet earth. Print versions available in Dutch, Russian, Japanese, and Korean. (Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books,1982), pp. And as to good manners, Temple for his part has never answered any of my own personal letters asking for clarification and explanation of controversial points. There are no stable orbits around the less massive Sirius B which exceed three years. Pseudoarchaeology book by Robert K. G. Temple, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Sirius_Mystery&oldid=1135262588, CS1 maint: bot: original URL status unknown, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 23 January 2023, at 16:12. [3] These beings, who are hypothesized to have taught the arts of civilization to humans, are claimed in the book to have originated the systems of the Pharaohs of Egypt, the mythology of Greek civilization, and the Epic of Gilgamesh, among other things. They all have one thing in common: enormous monsters. Dwarfs and Little Green Men". Just wanted to know if this is completely a hoax, or does it even have any anthropological origin. The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. Temple offered another line of reasoning. [6] The claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. Figure 1. ancient Egypt.*. the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. For example, he claims that the Dogon have a drawing like the one in Figure 1. Try my free online Rune Readings! The third explanation is that they learned the information from Europeans or in European schools. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. Y%gbsPFur[%X7Sz The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. Perhaps so -- it does seem like a trivial point, arguing over how different two meaningless geographical distances really are. "It does not!" 11.1. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. by Liam McDaid. Temple claims his expert cartographer found these distances "nearly equal." [2][1] The book was first published by St. Martin's Press in 1976. The good news is that two of the first five entries were from skeptical websites (CSICOP and Bob Carrolls Skeptics Dictionary). Swift appears to have taken the idea of two close (although not necessarily small) moons of Mars from Voltaire's novel Micromegos in which an Here is an example of how hard it can be to critically examine the claims in the book. Melanin Conference, San Francisco, September 16-17, 1987"). History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. Since Sirius B is a very dense white dwarf star about the size of Earth, it can only be seen in dark skies with medium-sized telescopes. implausible notions such as the claim that the Dogon got their knowledge Lets start with the first idea, proffered by Robert Temple.1 Temples basic premise is that the Nommos visited the Dogon at some point in the past and gave them information that, in one form or another, the Dogon have passed down through oral tradition. technological societies located on planet earth. If so, I wonder why that passage was ever "worth pointing out" in the book in the first place. ", A series of articles has appeared in the Griffith Observer, an astronomy magazin If I were alone in picking on Temple's thesis, he might be able to argue a case for ad hominem persecution. Therefore, if Sirius C exists, it must orbit Sirius A. October 1977 saw Marvin Luckermann's "More Sirius Difficulties," on ancient calendar systems and an alternate, non- extraterrestrial explanation for the ancient fascination with the number fifty (the article quotes Michael Astour's book Hellenosemitics as saying, "This exorbitant figure, very popular in Greek myths, has its explanation: it is the number of seven-day weeks in one lunar year. Cook some soul food. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. "wished to affirm the complexity of African religions and questioned For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. Another claim: that in Egypt the oasis of Siwa and the ancient Nile City of Thebes are both equidistant from the shrine city of Behdet, in the delta -- and the same exact distance, too. Based on Carrolls website (skepdic.com), the Dictionary is the definitive short-answer debunking of nearly every thing skeptical. Instead, he closed his response to my own article in 1979 with a brushoff: "In my view it is pointless to attack someone in print unless you can substantiate what you are saying. [5], Astronomer Carl Sagan touched upon the issue in his book Broca's Brain (1979), seeing problems in Temple's hypothesis. (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. Precise maps at the NASA space photo interpretation lab in Houston list "Behdet" as an ancient name for modern Damanhur, located today at 31.03 degN, 30.28 degE, i.e., more than a hundred kilometers away from where Temple locates his "Behdet" at 31.50 degN, 31.23 degE. This step was taken by others, particularly Temple, in the Sixties and Seventies. The tribe has a periodic Sirius festival called the "Segui" ceremony; each celebration lasts several years (the last was in 1968-72.) By comparison, our own Sun was that old 3.4 billion years ago. The Dogon Revisited The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. The Dogon People Revisited.. Copyright 19922023. traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org] According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to African Observers of the Universe: The Sirius Question. In, Ortiz de Montellano, Bernard R. 1996. "We have in the Dogon information a predictive mechanism which it is our duty to test, regardless of our preconceptions." Greek and Arab myths and words are considered to a lesser extent. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. double star (Ortiz de Montellano).*. The Dogon beliefs about Jupiter and Saturn sound familiar too. A must for every bookshelf.ORDER the book, It seems clear that the Dogon did indeed get their information from other cultures. 139-167. WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. Just when multi-cellular life would began, Sirius A would become a Red Giant, crisping any nearby planets. In that case the Dogon (and everyone else) would have had little trouble seeing both stars then. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. characteristics. The author mentions that he could have made the book much longer but restrained himself "lest I blow this book up into a pufball of miscellaneous odds and ends" -- which prompted one reviewer to remark that Temple had stopped much too late to avoid that fate. "Perhaps (Oberg) is unaware," Temple went on, "that the differential curvature of the earth variously distorts distances shown on maps. But now, in another recent publication Ancient Mysteries by Peter James and Nick Thorpe this mystery is also uncloaked as a hoax or a lie perpetrated by Griaule. Robert Temple, who spent eight years studying mythology, is convinced that he can trace the Sirius-B information back to the Sumerians. The Sirius Mystery is a book written by Robert K. G. Temple (born Robert Kyle Grenville Temple in 1945) supporting the pseudoscientific[1] ancient astronauts hypothesis that intelligent extraterrestrial beings visited the Earth and made contact with humans in antiquity and prehistoric times. Sirius It's fascinating. by Philip Coppens. I certainly concur with the first of those sentences! The Dogons were not isolated. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. (OK, I'll bite--but if such a star is not discovered, Temple has risked no converse conclusions. See also von Dniken, Zecharia Sitchin, and UFO. Flim-Flam! Noah Brosch explained in his book Sirius Matters that cultural transfer could have taken place between 19th century French astronomers and Dogon tribe members during the observations of the solar eclipse on 16 April 1893. To quote James and Thorpe: As for Sirius B, only Griaules informants had ever heard of it. Was Griaule told by his informants what he wanted to believe; did he misinterpret the Dogon responses to his questions? Predictions are often reinterpreted to fit any outcome, which makes them scientifically worthless but which can be claimed to verify the pseudo- scientific claims. century technological matters brought to them by visitors from other parts Strangely, ancient records explicitly list Sirius as one of six "red stars." The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. some 8.6 light years from earth. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. 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