My gut just churned. They could check cell towers then, but only manually. In 2006, the press was there again to cover the issuance of a report on the death of, (Newspaper article; David on TV show being interviewed; Confederation, Unidentified Reporter: (Newscast) The government has received a scathing. It would be kind of upsetting, I guess, to let your son spend time. I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. MORRISON: Andrew tried to make a clean break with Shirley in October 2001. I'm absolutely sure. any problem at all with them spending time with him, unlike my mother, Mr. SHEARS: I guess I just thought, well, they're kind of accusing her of, murder. It soon became apparent who was responsible. prayed that his murderer, whoever it was, would be swiftly brought to justice. We were kind of like, `Well, we're not the best ones to be taking care of a child.' And in the meantime, without that crucial piece of evidence to charge her with Andrew's murder, Shirley Turner quietly left US soil and returned home to Newfoundland. I truly commend the Bagby's commitment to exposing (and trying to bring about change) a corrupt judicial system, even in the midst of their tremendous loss. (Sea at night; photo of Shirley and Zachary; autopsy report; photo of man; photo of Shirley and Zachary; Zachary sleeping; David and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Kate just quit. More than all that, the Bagbys tale is about two people who endured one personal tragedy, which was compounded in harrowing ways that would surely crush most of us. Cpl. Spent casings matched Turner's handgun and a witness saw a car similar to hers parked next to Andrew's car. Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot concedes defeat, Southern California home sales fall to all-time low, Denver just got a direct flight to this Caribbean island known for music history and vegetarian cooking, NYC Mayor Adams dismisses need to separate church and state, declares himself a servant of God, Zero-calorie sweetener linked to heart attack and stroke, study finds, Do Not Sell/Share My Personal Information. MORRISON: And, says T.J., in the way of her opportunities to be. He, consumed by anger. He says his mother was so often, unavailable, especially from the time she started medical school. don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. Afterwards Turner ran off to Canada (she had duel citizenship) before Pennsylvania Cops could arrest her for Dr. Andrew Bagby's brutal murder. A judge ruled that Turner's detention was not in the public interest and released her on bail. It was part of a pattern summarized in the Canadian governments investigative report: Dr. The Bagbys and their grandchild were living in a cramped apartment. That they survived such horrible adversity is a testament to their courage, resolve and love. By 6 p.m. she left for Keystone State Park, where she and Andrew had agreed to meet after his hospital shift. I read on Netflix it's best you know nothing about the story, and that is so true. And I saw that night her malignancy. Do you understand? He was like Andrew. I would have to dream up some reason to go over, there in the middle of the night, to--for me to just appear on her doorstep, Mr. BAGBY: Turned out I wasn't. More than a month passed before Turner was finally arrested in Canada on December 21 but, within hours she was out on bail until she could be extradited to the US. Just from that, conversation, you could kind of get the sense that she didn't want Zachary, MORRISON: And for the Bagbys, Shirley issued what sounded somehow. "They are appalled and outraged.". And we, would have agreed to anything. How could they let an accused murderer walk free? Beyond all that, they have each other, which has proven to be a force stronger than they ever knew. anything like that, would we take care of Zachary? a--with a hand grenade in the kitchen with the pin already pulled. not only is Shirley Turner never held accountable for murdering Andrew, but she's allowed to keep primary custody of Zachary, ultimately resulting in his death. But if her claims were true, and she was carrying their grandchild, then they were clear: they wanted custody. They sound like wonderful people who were needlessly tortured by a horrible psychopath, It is gut wrenching to read the details and to hear how much both Andrew and David were loved by both David and his wife, Reviewed in the United States on April 27, 2016. I just finishes the book, and for a first-time writer I thought the writing was excellent. Andrew Bagby is murdered in the US by a woman who was angry that he broke up with her. More appropriately, it is written assuming we know the story and want to find out details of the why and the how. Mr. SHEARS: It seemed like it to me, yeah. Related:Temptation Island: What Happened To Casey & Ashley After Season 2? Why? He was a happy baby, with strawberry-blond hair and Andrew's nose. However, the intended audience of the film. This hope is brutally extinguished when Shirley kills Zachary on one of her visitations. He is campaigning to change Canadian bail law so no one charged with murder is allowed to walk the streets like Shirley Turner. Andrew and Zachary's murders. Play trailer 2:39. And a desire to write about a Canadian justice system that is fatally flawed. In the fall of 2002, Turner and her lawyer agreed that the Bagbys should gain temporary custody of Zachary if Turner were sent to jail. Im sure shes just gone somewhere. Turner, then 40, drove the 950 miles straight through and arrived at Andrews door at 5 a.m. They're like, `What do you mean?' For three seasons now, Temptation Island has been a social experiment to see if long-term couples are able to fix their broken relationships by going on an island full of attractive singles. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. Kate and David thus lose their son and grandson to the same evil womanand the former might still be alive today had the court system not let Shirley walk free. She always spent time with him, and seemed to me like she was, MORRISON: Still grieving over the loss of their only son, David, and Kate Bagby had forsaken their lives in California and moved to, Newfoundland, not just to make sure justice was being served, but also to be, (Kate; David; Newfoundland; Supreme Court building; photo of Zachary), KATHERINE: There's this wonderful feeling, `I'm going to see part of Andrew. MORRISON: How'd you feel about having a much younger brother come, Mr. SHEARS: I thought it was great. I was just gone. Suspicion immediately fell on an ex-lover, Shirley Turner, well-known among Andrew's friends and family for her one-sided obsession with Bagbyan obsession that led to her driving sixteen hours back to his home after their final breakup the day before Bagby's body was discovered. Snow. Newfoundlanders tend to trust each other, perhaps it's because, generally, With a skilled lawyer on hand to do Shirley Turner's bidding, the. In June, the federal justice minister ordered her turned over to U.S. authorities. But with special people, yes. MORRISON: Andrew's best friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, suddenly, just knew what he had begun as a small film to memorialize his old friend. "Kate and I are very close and that helps. Turner had mentioned the possibility to David months earlier in a rambling telephone conversation. Canadian authorities arrested Turner in early December 2001, but fatefully, released her on bail as she waited for a series of decisions regarding Pennsylvanias request for extradition. It also analyzed reviews to verify trustworthiness. Turner, a general practitioner, was 42 when she killed herself and her son. A variation on glop, adds David, but it was good, often. Instead, our system considers things like how recent a review is and if the reviewer bought the item on Amazon. The Bagbys hoping to gain custody of Zachary moved to Newfoundland and began a long, drawn-out battle in court and with Canadian social services to protect their grandson from the woman who had almost certainly murdered their son. (Photo of Andrew; cell phone towers; photo of Shirley; maps; suburban street; photo of house; newspaper clipping; photo of Shirley; maps; cell phone tower; Shirley in court; court documents; flashing police lights; American flag. It pains me to award only two stars to a book written by David Bagby, but I want to use the Goodreads' ranking system more accurately. KATE: Ah, it was wonderful. MORRISON: Even more, the Bagbys' gloom was mixed with worry. An autopsy report would show that an anti-anxiety drug, prescribed by the very psychiatrist who put up Shirley's bail money had been, mixed into Zachary's formula. MORRISON: But Andrew did agree to meet Shirley in a nearby park. While the offense with which she is charged is a violent and serious one, the court ruled, it was not directed at the public at large., On Jan. 10, David says, we had to give Zachary back to her.. When theyre telling their story, David will invariably ask Kate whether shed like to start a particular chapter, or should he? Unable to add item to List. "The birth of Zachary gave us part of Andrew back," says Kate. I said, `Oh, no. For the first time in years, David Bagby and his wife Kate are decorating their home for Christmas. "All I could say was: 'My son is dead? From the first episode, it seemed Kate was more invested in the relationship than David. Mackenzie is particularly fond of Survivor, which she has been watching ever since she was born. It is scary and shocking and I found myself admiring them in a way I have admired few and wondering how they managed to go on. For parents Dave and Kate, the pain was unbearable? MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. ', KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah. Much of this DATELINE report incorporates material from Kurt's documentary, as well as something else: the childhood films he made as he taught himself his craft. keep him safe, which they feared was about to become even more difficult. He interviewed old friends who recalled Andrew as a gregarious, well-loved soul who starred in Kuenne's earliest attempts at filmmaking. decision. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) That you aren't trying to take my place. We're churning. On a shelf in the California home of David and Kate Bagby, sitting inconspicuously among some lovely china, are two urns. The pain of having lost not only their son but now also their grandson was too much to bear. The new law enhances ongoing child welfare improvements that can be traced back to Zachary's death, he said in an interview. The Bagby's lived a nightmare that no person should ever have to go through and I admire their courage and strength. KEITH MORRISON reporting: He was everybody's idea of the perfect best man. And thus the decision from which all else followed. (Newfoundland; Shears driving; photo of Shirley and Zachary; water at night; Mr. SHEARS: She said Zachary was being fussy and that just driving him, around would calm him down. Scott Adams faces 'consequence culture' as U.S. newspapers drop Dilbert, Tom Cruise's 'ditching' of Suri showcased by Judd Apatow's 'co-parenting' joke, ex-Scientology exec says. On Aug. 5, Turners social worker visited her apartment to check on Turner and Zachary. Both of them were victims of murder. Kate Bagby still cannot believe that murder has engulfed her life. After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages you are interested in. 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