But there is more than this one. First It is personal. Williams if he couldnt give you more coverge and better value for your money he felt he didnt deseve your business. Or do you think having to have 8 different numbers to look at and figure out who has what is better? 5. So You are losing the logic game here. And the shareholders made lots of money when Primerica was formed. I was getting to the point that was almost envious of people that had a good job and were making consistent income. That is language made up to sell certain products. What does PFS offer when it comes to the TIR or ADB compaired to the other companies? Tom have you erver heard of Winflex? . It only cost me a cleaning, and a replacement. Since you go by price, the next guy that is cheaper will take them away. But most people are not here to make lots of money, but somethign to help them along the way. If this is more of your retoric. Tell me as an independent contractor (1099 not W-2)why is it to your benefit to have a noncompete clause in your associate agreement? There are 100,000 Reps or so, and 4,000 make $50k. Anyone who has a problem with peopel being happy about thir lives is cynical and/or jealous and not worth the rebuttal. Second I never thought you would meet anyone full-time. You dont sell products, but services, and as I said, some can really help people (like the debt deals). Theres two constants in life Death and taxesSome people do need coverage until death. how much time and money does it cost to go to school and get a degree? They have proven they cant be trusted, or are willing to twist anything to their point of view.. 4. Each college degree aligns with students' different personal interests and professional goals. Isnt Christian supposed to be Christ like? If you really want to deal with financial stress, you can do it for yourself with nothing but discipline, sacrifice and a plan. As far as me joining Primerica, the reason I havent is because I dont want to. Term4Sale is owned by COMPULIFE Software, Inc. which sells term comparison software to thousands of life agents throughout the U.S. and Canada. Anyone can use it, even someone who does not hold a license. WebPrimerica markets financial products and services from some of the world's more recognizable companies. Wrong. If you are taking a higher cut, you must be stealing from the clients. That is confidential information, that only agents have. When a company is growing your going to attract all kinds of people: including people that will be high pressure reps. Its going to be a busy weather week in Massachusetts. The main thing that attracted me to Primerica is all the damn smiling faces!!! Since Micheal or Thomas, which ever name he goes under can seem to read simple English and understand simple written word, I think he did something foolish and got terminated. When it was merely a term vs cash-value game, the facts and products were on their side. So a 20 year guarantee is usually perfect. It also feels like the different between a real medical doctor and a quack doctor. You cant be a 1099 employee, either you are an employee or 1099. I know that you will not believe me and I surly will not believe an unlicensed person in what you will come up with. WHo wins that one? Ya, right? I wanted to think about it So, I wanted an opinion from my newest friend kelly- my upline and she was recently recruited (4 months prior)and began to tell me about the licensing and how you get paid and about the events and family feel and everything. Just like you do not need insurance for the car you sold last year, why do you need income protection when you do not havfe a job? -. Funny you have been doing this for months now. And Then their is the initials. my question concerns citis current market position and the mlm people. Another poster asked why cant we let the clients decide? You need to break the law or do something foolish. I mentioned about conversion of a term policy and the benefit if considering a life settlement and it seemed to get past you. For the right person, it works really well. which will probably make you more comfortable working with us seeing as that would make it more like a job for you employee mentality characters. as there are many different policies each company has their own different features. But let us look at those other companies. -. That wasnt for us, so we canceled and purchased Term through my Mom, who works for another Insurance Company. I couldnt look my family in the eye and do it. Read the proceeds section of the policy, they never list cash value as a payable benefit because the beneficiary does not get it in the event of the death of the primary covered person. For an example, if I only sold Goodman, I would have to say no. That is the only reason why you are here. Did you know that these are not good loans? , Mortgages How many of those people are claiming someone should have looked out for me? If I had a business in your neighborhood that only sold CITI products and services and I was successful at it. If you look at 9/11. You will fail again, it is inevitable. I never worked for them however I did talk to them about being employed there. Term4Sale is owned by COMPULIFE Software, Inc. which sells term comparison software to thousands of life agents throughout the U.S. and Canada. Anyone can use it, even someone who does not hold a license. My Dad died in Jan 2006, Primerica paid his claim in March. And my friends have no regard on the negative effect they have on their failies. See my post a while back. When it comes to advice on insurance, I know there are cheaper term. Those are people that will go the next cheaper person. think next, next, next. IT only helps you from keeping people out of the business. Now Tom you attack people on a personal and professional level and you tell me to grow up? Since the government gives the tax benefits to Primerica Agents, I guess you are wrong here too. How interest really works, and how to make the most of your money. (Correct me if im wrong)..Outside Primerica and writing agent can earn renewals. Generally, though, there are three levels, and theyre discussed below. They are known for taking people on with felonies, as long as they do not have to do with money. And that was in the policy, and planned. It depends on many things. No one will know, but anyone going to a Primerica meeting will see what is the truth. You will not keep clients, they will jump since you feel you do not give them value for thier money. All you need to do is have a need to make extra income. ***We are not trying to build any wedge. I have been waiting to use that term for weeks. Maybe this is why they are having money trouble. Your licenses. (As was be scarcastic, in case you didnt know. d) Higher Terminal Illness Benefits Michael I respect your opinion of PFS. I joined PFS for the business opportunity. My apologees Lynn, I was trying to give you credit and kudos for the well-put and succinct response to Annette. If this is true why is that? Then you family will not have to pay for your stupidity. I ahve already proved this in several areas, I love to see your termination notice. Tom, you twist facts and have the ability to not understand. WebThe Best Types of Assisted Living Programs for Different Levels of Cognitive Impairment. Losing a leg is not bad. Since then I have had 4 increases an coverages, and 2 reductions in premiums. Yes it is business..Yet what is the great benefit of being with PFS if you can do the same things you are currently doing outside of PFS and more and have immediate ownership, Advance from personal production if you so choose, Not have a requirment to give up any legs, Not have any restrictions on who you can hire for your team, Not have any full-time or office requirements and possible higher commission levels. Thanks very much for the time and help! You say buy ROP for the savings. natalie you can get licensed and be whats called a referring agent. As I said before, in Primerica, every agent is under an RVP and the policies are scrubbed at the office level. Which one is it? Primerica is a company that makes people aware by educating them on how financial companies and their products really work, so they dont continue to get taken advantage of. - To bad you do not know how to sell with value. The reason I sale insurance is because I believe in my product, I believe in my carriers, and I believe that I am doing the right thing for my clients. They can either choose the mission or the commission. Great, my carriers are high quality also. I found out many people dont carry a mortgage for a full 30 years. Home automation services (including home security) are offered through a referral arrangement by contractual agreement between Primerica Client Services, Inc. Primerica Client Services Inc., PFSL Investments Canada Ltd., Vivint, Inc. and Vivint Canada, Inc. Beside, If you follow the plan, you will retire and only need a burial policy if that. These are people owning their own office. What about health insurance again .. try to sell it and you will be fired (by the way does it make sense that you can be fired from your own business?). The plan that had was a plan paid by the employer. WebPrimerica is a multi-level marketing company. Their needs to be competition. They are in financial trouble. And you answered: MPT: The reality is these are very unique people and have a drive that most of us dont have. He didnt. And another reason is because companies that sell that way normally do not want to provide an education or service to the client. Tom is happy with PFS as a CLIENT as he states and I am happy with the companies I am with, end of story. My mother is 81 yrs. =- Its simple how we get paid.Commission on our own personal sales.+ any overrides of sales made by people we bring in.And, people you bring in, can absolutely surpass you and keep moving.. Each recruit is considered a business owner and as you bring them in, you help them get their own business started up.As they get licensed etcEveryone EATS. You can make more at other places besides primerica Maybe that is true when you talk about starting out in one aspect of the business. He made a snide remark implying that she wasnt allowed or that something was wrong with her. They usually are contacting the state or the feds before they know what is going on. I do understand since you are the donkey pulling the cart, but please try to understand that this is better than the beginning years. There are a lot of people who always say good things, even when they are bad and vice versa. My father-in-law had a similar situation, but I dont know the specifics. Why have you not admitted about this Michael? If you work for Primerica you will too. If a client feels they want a higher amount why not have different limits available to offer. ANd a violation could be simple, or complex. Do you think having a plan getting out of debt is something every family should have? As for the price issue. Anyway thats all I have to say for now. 133 FA // Nov 15, 2008 at 12:49 am, RECRUITING JUSTIFICATION: well lets see.. get the blind teaching the blind and say who am i to judge who will make it or not and yes then you can put your head on the pillow at night.. well, thats if you have no real judgement and are more motivated by what, oh ya, the dream of money and success; ah so hypicritical. Can I get Micheal/Thomas, and You to agree? Here you are wrong. Either that or we all be driving YUGOs. Exactly what does th issue with todays mortgage crisis have to do with someone who has a health situation and high health care cost? Im not ashamed of going after small sales. I love recruiting and I am good at it . He asked to be taken off the list and they said they could not do it. It comes with a 0.30% annual fee and a $500 minimum deposit. This is something that most companies would love. Salary information comes from 1,736 data points God Bless Everybody, even the ones that dont think like us. But then they get the licenses for $99. The first 1 to 7 years of money you are putting in there is gone for fees. Most companies are 40% to 50% cheaper than they are. As for Ignoring me Michael, please do, it will keep my time for important things, like watching my money grow, in the accounts that I have through Primerica. . Those are great statics, but smart people know that anyone can make statics say what ever you want them too. Who likes to play office politics? How do I know? , Its has better ratings (AM Best, Moody, S&P): An adviser can be locked into one company. Since I do not need to troll for customers, I do not have to lower myself to your level. You need to get other items. Instead of listening to the doomsdayers, just go out and work hard, live right and find something to believe in. All the money books and magazines say this. This is the Professional way to act? The RVP told me on average per person youll make $300-$500 which aint bad. The Mortgage appointment has been around for many years. I think they called that personal responsibility. You need to have multiple legs to go RVP but then the good ones do. I firmly believe that I can offer a better products and services for my clients. I ahve already proved this in several areas, I love to see your termination notice. Tom, you twist facts and have the ability to not understand. He wasted his time to find out they were trying to convert him to cash value. . They sell Cash value, and they have a history or contacting clients and trying to convert them to cash value. Recruiting people onto my team (3 people) will make me more money, but I SHOULD be able to be OK just by myself. Your clients must not since you focus on price here. Ouch I dont know about you but I would rather pay the $300 it takes to get licensed (it is not $600 like they say). They also must pay for their brochures and FNA subscription when most other companies do free needs analysis without monthly subscription fees. Why go through all of the cost if someone doesnt want or need to? So, I, along with many others in our firm are charging forward in pursuit of that position that equals true business ownership and bringing along many of those who want it bad. But to quote my favorite line, Remove the plank from your eye. yes it is from the Bible. Which will cost over $10K. Have you ever figure out how many policies go the total term, now that it is 30 years? that way the company makes interest off the money they take. The Securites arm of Primerica was ALWAYS looking into more sound investments and kept us informed when changes to our family of funds was in the works. That does happen. But you negative people have to just talk crap about everyone else to make yourself feel better or atleast you exploit the 18yr idiot i think ive seen as high as 40yr idiot at a volnerable time in their life so rest easy. tell Jesus and my grandma I said hi!! Most of you dont know what that is dont worry I didnt either when I was there trust me your hurting some of your clients by not having access to it. What does that Free Analysis cover? APRN-PMHNP degree program, for aspiring Psychiatric Mental Health Nurse Practitioners. President Agreement, so long as you continue to comply with the requirements in Section 3 of your Regional Vice President Agreement and the non-replacement covenant and confidentiality covenant in this Agreement. Primerica is the one company doing the right thing for their clients. So what! My question is not the cheapest but who gives you the most value and obviously price does go into that. If not now, in the next 30 years it will be. As far as the other part of pay yes you do recruit people. But this is typical of someone losing the battle. I glad its did not say buy pfs term and invest the difference. 4.) HE CHOSE to make a higher commission of his own familyinstead of doing the best possible practical thing for them.so you wonder why go with Primerica? And I work because I enjoy my position. My upline told one of my potential clients to keep his term life insurance that he currently had instead of getting Primericas offer because he had been rated with preexisting conditions. Privacy, While these services might be useful, you might wanna check out, In other words, 84% of folks who joined Primerica not only failed to make any money, they never even. You are not directed to a 800 number to get your money. When reading various other message boards like Ripoff-report etc then ask yourself the following. Since they have to pass the same test, Life Insurance, Securities exam. -. They are supposed to be so scary successful, but they are spending lots of time posting their condesceding comments to this site. Thats going to be expensive. They feel good here and great about themselves. by the time your done with your training appointments and have your liscense you will have people on your team to take you, as their trainer, out on appointments and so the cycle goes. He is worth Billions too. Better to be quiet, and thought a fool, or to keep talking and remove all doubt. They are presently trying to sell it since it is one of the last profitable parts they own. Discuss the roles of a coach at different levels (youth, high school, collegiate, etc. I commend you for your seeking of knowledge. He said in a previous post hwe was going to ignore me. In that situation what would be the right thing to do? Oh, Michael Thomasdude. Our main mission is to talk to the households that are being untouched in america to become FINANCIALLY INDEPENDENT. If a client feels they want a higher amount why not have different limits available to offer. The profit comes from the services. I say that because he already has it postedGood Luck in whatever you do, Hey Bob Lotich, He doesnt know. The contract levels depend upon the amount of business the producer does and the size of the agency. The contract rate dictates the percentage earn Suze Orman sells her products via TV. It reminds me of how some people who have left my company, and have bad mouth my company. You are right about Term4sale.com they do not sell term insurance, they sell teh program for the agents to use to sell term. Its easy. As for Denial, you need to at least go to a class or two so you can see how real businesses work. These idiots act like we have not done the research on the company, know the controversial nature of the business model, and want to try it out anyway. . If I was Micahels or James Clients, I would not walk but run and pull all my files from them. But when it comes to investing in mutual funds and what not, so far I would NOT recommend it. Both are cars. I dont think thats in PFS best interest. This field is constantly changing. -. My advise to all here seeking guidance. Now are there companies out there that now sell only term yes. If what Primerica claims is true in this case than I think a Primerica policy would be more beneficial because you would have peace of mind knowing that you fully understand your policy and that your family will receive the death benefit regardless. I am actually paying the same I did when I first started. Some think there is a good reason to get max amounts of term.. Now I didnt say everyone, I said some people. There are many different companies with many different products. The people Primerica is helping is not the 1% wealthy that have a need for 4 millions dollars of estate and huge tax liabilities. I do hope it is the latter, but since I can only base your performance here, If I saw your posting, I would be leaving you fast. Primerica is a financial services company which uses multi-level marketing to promote and sell their products. *****Convertability is something 98% of the people who buy insurance will never need. They spread the word and the regional rep takes him/her on appointments and closes all the business making more on the business than the junior rep.. which u all think is justifiable but in reality the person with the actual relationship makes the most. , Depends. And I ahve had an increasing benenfit rider. Nope it is a sales person cal;ling to try to convert you to CASH VALUE. But then you do not have any money to live or retire. You left 8 years ago. For example, they seem to excel at helping families get rid of their debt faster and cheaper. Well If he did something wrong yes, but in the last ten years I have no problems. Attend a business orientation to see if you like the environment. It only matters in the absence of value. Primerica Recruits to Build. Some companies dont want impaired business. Just like the insurance companies that got away with canceling all those policies in the 70 and 80s when they imploded. Insurance is to cover a risk, and teh game plan is for people to have Cash when they are retiring, not an insurance policy, because everyone, with some cerebral ability, cash is king. Coincidentally or not, this seems to be somewhat of a win-win. Well then explore the four levels of measurement in detail, providing some examples of each. When this is no long my passion or I start putting my pocket book ahead of my clients I will quit. Currently they are the big dog for part-timers. It is cheaper and better to go to the work place and get it. SM. The fact, You also know that they do what is right for the client all the time. So why do they need more outside. Now health is important, but your finances are equal to , if not greater. UL, VUL, whole life, final expense, These are all cash value insurance, with the exception of final expense. Put up or shut up. -. Freedom to do outside activity: Well as long as there is no conflict, they let you do anything you want to. To them its business. The guy told me, I have to work for my money. My question is if you didnt work for PFS before you went out on your own would you be as successful as u are now? Did you know that most companies spend billions on marketing? Remember the Movie Coming to America Eddie Murphy. Its a bad decision if you dont, but many of our guys who choose not to recruit can easily make over a six figure income working primarily as a sales rep, but thats not what most are about. Have you ever thought of Running for Congress? Since you are setting up your clients for this, this unethical procedure, what does that make you? They always say they are not the cheapest but I fail to find justification for the increased premium when most other companies issue guaranteed level premiums beyond 20 years and they do not. 1. You are a better man than me. Broken record again, if you concerned about your pocket book more that doing the right thing you are a failure. Old Mutual Financial Network (F&G) So why do people stay at the RITZ, when all it is a room? they have several ways, but I will not boar Michael with it, since he does not know about them anyway. Do they advise which funds to choose? That way the Annuity can pay the policy premium and at end of Term the person can get all of their premiums back. -, 6) Tom said, Please give me some facts. Well Fixed annuities are not good unless you need the money now. Products and the contract. Marketing. One can only guess what other lies and deceptive things you ahve posted. But to sell everything possible to you client is irresponsible. I have seen the checks on policies that were higher. All this would not have been possible in PFS. Again, whatever you can do in PFS, you can do better on the outside. After all, you dont really want it to be good because you dont have it. Why 40% on 6 months death window when I can do 50% or 250K (lowest of the two) on a 12 month death window? It can also be protected, so you will not lose any value. Since you sell products that are not good for the client you are doing that already. - For example, in his last post he said, Well You need E and O insurance. I sell Metlife VA cheaper and ear(earn)substanially more. Which by the way if the agent doesnt stay for longer than 2 years in the industry, they dont deserve to be in the financial services industry anyways. One thing that Dave has said is not to buy (or buy into)something you dont understand. 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